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There has been PLENTY of bitching about the site redesign as of late. Look at any given site update announcement, and you will find page after page of "They're not listening to us!", "You're making it harder for us to gain more watchers!", "Stop being facebook!" (but, of course, phrased much more eloquently than this, you handsome, verbose devils). Do I agree with this? Is there a problem with deviantArt? If so, how can it be fixed?
To begin, we need to know what deviantArt is. Why have we come here? Why, in spite of everything that's been done to the site, do we continue to come here? Why do I come here? For the art. We come to dA because we love art. Those of us that produce it come here to gain a wider audience, to connect what we produce with those who enjoy it. Those of us that consume art come here to satisfy our appetite. When I come to deviantArt, I want to expand myself, to see new things. I want to look at photos that challenge me, see characters from franchises I love in a whole new light, immerse myself in worlds I never would have dreamed of. This is the fundamental purpose of deviantArt; to connect content consumers with new content producers and vice versa. You may agree or disagree, but this is the premise on which I base my following exhibit.
This is the Today page of deviantArt. I argue that this is what the developers think deviantArt is supposed to look like. I base this on several facts:
This is a crossection of the last five days of the top part of the Today page on deviantart.com, from november 10th to november 14th. I initially made this image to track how long the image of Velma grinding on Shaggy, located just to the left of Hinata's shoulder on the top image, had stayed on the Today page. Unfortunately, I then realized that it wasn't just Velma who refused to leave. So I lettered each repeat image based on no particular order except my own eye.
A. velma 2
B. Felicia Bodypaint. Darkstalkers.
C. FEMALE Weapon 9 [gun]
D. Tifa's Awkward Nap - Part 1
E. Kakashi Chilling
F. Poison Ivy Colors!
G. Minecraft Cats
H. Norrland for beginners
I. Batgirl
J. Ryuko Matoi
K. Tadashi hamada WIP
L. Give the Gift of Art Challenge
M. + Hikyo and Rinri Designs+
N. Doodle fox
O. G and Chelle - first met - again
P. Clinical Exposure
Q. The Dark Knight
I was worried I was going to have to go to Excel-style numbering (AA, AB, AC, ect). After this was done, I then circled the unique images that did not appear on any other Today page. It's sad. On November 13th, there were only two images that did not appear on any other page. On November 12th, there was only one - and that was a flash game starring Derpy the Pony. There are more unique pictures towards the opposite ends of my sample, but that's only because there's less to compare to at those ends. For the final indignity, let's see when all of these pictures were posted to deviantArt, versus when they appear in our sample. Note that I have not looked past November 10th to see if any of the pictures appeared on the Today page earlier than that date.
A. Nov 10th, posted Nov. 9th
B. Nov. 11th, posted Nov. 11th
C. Nov. 11th, posted Nov. 11th
D. Nov. 12th, posted Jan. 24th, 2014
E. Nov 12th, posted Nov. 12th
F. Nov. 12th, posted Nov. 11th
G. Nov. 11th, posted Aug. 16th, 2012
H. Nov. 10th, posted April 18th, 2011
I. Nov. 12th, posted Oct. 5th, 2012
J. Nov. 11th, posted Nov. 10th
K. Nov. 12th, posted Nov. 12th
L. Nov. 12th, posted Nov. 12th
M. Nov. 11th, posted Nov. 11th
N. Nov. 13th, posted Nov. 12th
O. Nov. 13th, posted Nov. 13th
P. Nov. 13th, posted Nov. 13th
Q. Nov. 10th, posted Nov. 7th
DeviantArt is giving us works from over three and a half years ago, and trying to pass them off as new. That's not how it works! That's not what I want! It's bad enough that I nearly ran out of letters in the English alphabet trying to list duplicate images - now you're giving me images from 2011? If I didn't put it in my favorites the first time, what makes you think showing it to me now is going to change anything? Some of these images are repeated four or five times. All of those thumbs with letters in them represent space that could be spent on Whatever algorithm deviantArt uses to select these images is obviously broken if this is what it thinks I want to see.
There are features that I like about the new site update - I love being able to see collections related to a particular deviation - but overall I think the site has alienated a lot of people. When adding new features or modifying existing ones, deviantArt needs to consider how this affects its mission statement; to connect people with new art, and art with new people.
To begin, we need to know what deviantArt is. Why have we come here? Why, in spite of everything that's been done to the site, do we continue to come here? Why do I come here? For the art. We come to dA because we love art. Those of us that produce it come here to gain a wider audience, to connect what we produce with those who enjoy it. Those of us that consume art come here to satisfy our appetite. When I come to deviantArt, I want to expand myself, to see new things. I want to look at photos that challenge me, see characters from franchises I love in a whole new light, immerse myself in worlds I never would have dreamed of. This is the fundamental purpose of deviantArt; to connect content consumers with new content producers and vice versa. You may agree or disagree, but this is the premise on which I base my following exhibit.
This is the Today page of deviantArt. I argue that this is what the developers think deviantArt is supposed to look like. I base this on several facts:
- When you are not logged in, this is where you are taken when you click on the link www.deviantart.com
- Today is the far-left option. Deviantart's editorials are in English, it is based out of an English-speaking country, and most of its content producers speak English or a language that reads from left to right, just like English. To put this as the far-left option marks it as the most important option among any other.
- The very name "Today". It is "Today"; this is where you need to be. Before you see anything else, you need to see what's going on "Today".
This is a crossection of the last five days of the top part of the Today page on deviantart.com, from november 10th to november 14th. I initially made this image to track how long the image of Velma grinding on Shaggy, located just to the left of Hinata's shoulder on the top image, had stayed on the Today page. Unfortunately, I then realized that it wasn't just Velma who refused to leave. So I lettered each repeat image based on no particular order except my own eye.
A. velma 2
B. Felicia Bodypaint. Darkstalkers.
C. FEMALE Weapon 9 [gun]
D. Tifa's Awkward Nap - Part 1
E. Kakashi Chilling
F. Poison Ivy Colors!
G. Minecraft Cats
H. Norrland for beginners
I. Batgirl
J. Ryuko Matoi
K. Tadashi hamada WIP
L. Give the Gift of Art Challenge
M. + Hikyo and Rinri Designs+
N. Doodle fox
O. G and Chelle - first met - again
P. Clinical Exposure
Q. The Dark Knight
I was worried I was going to have to go to Excel-style numbering (AA, AB, AC, ect). After this was done, I then circled the unique images that did not appear on any other Today page. It's sad. On November 13th, there were only two images that did not appear on any other page. On November 12th, there was only one - and that was a flash game starring Derpy the Pony. There are more unique pictures towards the opposite ends of my sample, but that's only because there's less to compare to at those ends. For the final indignity, let's see when all of these pictures were posted to deviantArt, versus when they appear in our sample. Note that I have not looked past November 10th to see if any of the pictures appeared on the Today page earlier than that date.
A. Nov 10th, posted Nov. 9th
B. Nov. 11th, posted Nov. 11th
C. Nov. 11th, posted Nov. 11th
D. Nov. 12th, posted Jan. 24th, 2014
E. Nov 12th, posted Nov. 12th
F. Nov. 12th, posted Nov. 11th
G. Nov. 11th, posted Aug. 16th, 2012
H. Nov. 10th, posted April 18th, 2011
I. Nov. 12th, posted Oct. 5th, 2012
J. Nov. 11th, posted Nov. 10th
K. Nov. 12th, posted Nov. 12th
L. Nov. 12th, posted Nov. 12th
M. Nov. 11th, posted Nov. 11th
N. Nov. 13th, posted Nov. 12th
O. Nov. 13th, posted Nov. 13th
P. Nov. 13th, posted Nov. 13th
Q. Nov. 10th, posted Nov. 7th
DeviantArt is giving us works from over three and a half years ago, and trying to pass them off as new. That's not how it works! That's not what I want! It's bad enough that I nearly ran out of letters in the English alphabet trying to list duplicate images - now you're giving me images from 2011? If I didn't put it in my favorites the first time, what makes you think showing it to me now is going to change anything? Some of these images are repeated four or five times. All of those thumbs with letters in them represent space that could be spent on Whatever algorithm deviantArt uses to select these images is obviously broken if this is what it thinks I want to see.
There are features that I like about the new site update - I love being able to see collections related to a particular deviation - but overall I think the site has alienated a lot of people. When adding new features or modifying existing ones, deviantArt needs to consider how this affects its mission statement; to connect people with new art, and art with new people.
TLoZ: BACKROUNDU NO JUSTU!~ Pt. 4
More things!
-The Deku Prison is one of my more interesting concepts for 1k1k. Think of it like Glitzville from Paper Mario 2 - you fight other teams, rank up, and progress through the prison. I have no idea how well it would work in an actual Zelda game, but it works in terms of the story and gives Link some contrast between who he was and who he is, so it works. The rules are as follows.
--You may challenge any cell below you, plus the cell one rank above you. The winner gets their choice of cells.
--Cells are numbered 1-10 in blocks A-J. The 1 cell of every block receives extra perks, like warmer food or furniture, compared to the other
TLoZ: BACKROUNDU NO JUSTU!~ Pt. 3
I figure I'd better do one of these "word of God" journals every couple of chapters, just to answer any random questions that might come up and to organize my own thoughts. None of this is in any particular order, mind you; I just wrote it down as it came to me. It probably won't make sense to you if you haven't read the rest of 1,001 Knights, and may even contain some spoilers, so...well, you know where to go.
-The whole purpose of magic in 1,001 Knights is to confuse the hell out of Link. So, if you understand it, great! If you don't, mission accomplished!
-Something that might have escaped some people in Chapter 5, primarily because I go
'Cause why the fuck not?
TLoZ: BACKROUNDU NO JUSTU!~ Pt. 2
Link to Pt 1
Let's see, what was I talking about...oh yeah, Twilight Princess.
-I wanted to borrow some stuff from Twilight Princess and, as I mentioned last time, I thought the storyline of you going out into the Twilight being initially about rescuing these kids who are your family and playmates (and lover) in Ordona was an integral part of Twilight Forest, so I copied that. Sokra and Fado both seemed to have a close relationship to Link in the Idea Dump image, so I decided to make them all one group, bring in a few of the kids from TP, and name their group the Twilight Rats just to ram home the reference. Talo delivers the initial weapon
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I'm trying to understand how What's Hot is "misleading" -- as xRadioactivePixie said, our What's Hot algorithm is different than our Popular algorithm because it doesn't take into account when it was submitted. If something from 2005 goes viral because it was on the front page of Reddit, What's Hot will surface this. That's why "Today" is accurate because it's What's Hot today. I think this is really valuable, and What's Hot has become a favourite mode for many of us. But I definitely agree with your concern about the content not being fresh enough -- especially for deviants who visit the page daily or several times a day.
The Today page is still very new, and not even close to a finished product. Feedback like this is very helpful -- I passed along your concern for our team to look into. The Today page is something we're actively looking into as far as "next steps" go. Feel free to share any other feedback you have about the other components of the page!
The Today page is still very new, and not even close to a finished product. Feedback like this is very helpful -- I passed along your concern for our team to look into. The Today page is something we're actively looking into as far as "next steps" go. Feel free to share any other feedback you have about the other components of the page!